Twitter (TWTR)

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Jetzt geht das Theater wie bei FB wieder los :) Schon ist es in der Boulevardpresse...jetzt werden wir alle reich mit Twitter:

Kann ich jetzt mit Twitter reich werden?Twitter will an die Börse. Facebook hat nach einigen Startschwierigkeiten gezeigt, wie man dort ans grosse Geld kommt. Das Online-Netzwerk ist seit gestern 101,5 Milliarden Franken wert. Jetzt will Twitter nachziehen.
http://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft/kan ... 40203.htmlIch sehe nicht, warum diese Firma mit 10-15 Milliarden USD bewertet sein soll, aber ich fand schon die Bewertung von FB sehr fragwürdig (und besonders jetzt bei über 100 Milliarden USD). Grundsätzlich sehe ich ein, dass Twitter auf mobilen Geräten (kleine Bildschirme) mehr Sinn macht als Facebook...aber eben, die Bewertung:
Twitter will make “over $500 million” in revenue this year, according to PrivCo, doubled from the $245 million PrivCo says Twitter made in 2012. It also predicts that Twitter will go public on the New York Stock Exchange as opposed to the NASDAQ, which caused Facebook quite a bit of trouble in its May 2012 IPO. PrivCo believes Twitter will be paying a lot of attention to how Facebook executed its roadshow and IPO and that it will try to time its IPO for right after its “seasonally strongest fourth quarter.”It also believes Twitter will price the IPO at $15 billion.
http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/12/twitter-finances/Die momentan 500 Millionen Umsatz sind ca. 50/50 aufgeteilt in PC/Desktop- und Mobilwerbung.
 
Revenue per user im Vergleich zur Konkurrenz...

Twitter, which said last month that it confidentially filed for an initial share sale, will publicly disclose its prospectus this week, according to people with knowledge of the matter. Money managers such as Manulife Asset Management LLC and Thornburg Investment Management Inc. want to know how good a job Twitter is doing wringing revenue from each user -- and how it stacks up against competitors.



The metric to beat is about $2.17 per user. That’s what Facebook posted for the second quarter, based on company filings as well as data from digital-media research firm ComScore Inc. (SCOR), which includes only desktop visitors. LinkedIn Corp. (LNKD) comes in at about $1.93 per user, using the same metrics. Twitter had 181 million unique visitors in the second quarter, according to ComScore, meaning it would need quarterly sales to be at least $393 million to top Facebook.

“The big thing is, what is their revenue per user and compare that to Facebook,” Tim Cunningham, a fund manager at Thornburg Investment Management, which oversees about $91 billion in assets, said by phone from Santa Fe, New Mexico. “The biggest problem with these companies is they have not figured out a great way to monetize their users.”
Mobile Centric



Twitter is more “mobile-device centric,” said Michael Scanlon, managing director at Manulife Asset Management.

About 60 percent of Twitter’s active users access the site from a mobile device at least once every month, the company said in a blog post in February. At the time, twitter had 200 million active users, according to the post.

The average revenue per user metric is how investors truly measure the “hook” of the social media business and what they’ll be looking at when valuing the company, he said.

Reaching second-quarter sales of $393 million would be a stretch for Twitter, which is projected by EMarketer to post $582.8 million in revenue for the full year. Twitter’s ability to surpass its $10.5 billion private-market valuation may be complicated if its monetization rates turn out to be much lower than that of Facebook and LinkedIn, investors said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-0 ... arity.html
 
Twitter's updated IPO plans reveal TWTR stock on NYSE, 232 million active users:

Twitter isn't a public company just yet, but its updated S-1 filing hit today and showed how it's grown in the last three months. While it showed 218 million monthly active users by the end of June, its Q3 stats have grown to 232 million (53 million of them are in the US). While the number of users accessing the service from mobile devices grew slightly from 75 to 76 percent, ad revenue on mobile grew 37 percent since the last report, compared to other revenue which was up 9 percent. It's making more money too, with revenue for the quarter of $168.6 million, up from $139 million in Q2 and $82 million for the same period last year. If you want to invest in the right stock at its IPO, look for TWTR on the NYSE -- until then prospective investors can dig through the financial data here and follow the @TwitterIR account for updates.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/15/twit ... -earnings/Ich frage mich, wieviele Doppel- und Fake-Accounts dabei sind in dieser Zahl (ähnlich wie bei FB).
 
weiss man hier schon mehr bez. datum? habe zwar etliche hp's abgeklappert ohne erfolg.. evtl hat kennt jemand noch eine bessere seite/quelle?

 
Irgendwie 7.NovVersuchs doch mal mit den üblichen HP's wie zb. Bloomberg, Reuters, CNN, CNBC, etc... sind sicher etwas hilfreicher wie cash, 20min und nzz :provozieren:

 
alles klar, danke!irgend ne meinung dazu? wartest du sehnlichst auf den börsengang? nach langer recherche und div. eindrücke (bspw. bekanntgabe, dass twitter v. etlichen fake&inaktiv accs weiss) hat sich mein optimismus gelegt. ich erwarte hier ein ähnliches desaster wie beim fb börsengang.. werde dennoch mitmischen!

 
Das mit den doppel-etc Accounts war schon bei FB, ist nichts Neues. Die Bewertung scheint okay, nicht überrissen. Werde leider erst nachem US-Mittag Zeit haben und der Titel ist dann sowieso Short-Restricted also gibts nur eine Richtung die ich spielen würde/werde.

 
Ich wollte mit meinen negativen Posts oben die Stimmung nicht verderben :) Bekanntlich habe ich die Technologie-Rally 2013 verpasst. Meiner Meinung sind praktisch alle grossen Tech-Aktien (AMZN NFLX... etc.) per Ende 2013 überbewertet, eine Ausnahme ist eventuell AAPL, aber dort passt mir die absolute Grösse nicht mehr, ein Koloss, der nur schwierig wachsen kann wie seit 2009. Kurz, ich bin für den ganzen Sektor negativ (und lag damit falsch im 2013) und deshalb auch bei TWTR nicht dabei. Grundsätzlich ist TWTR wie FB momentan völlig von Werbung abhängig-FInde diese IPO-Mythen noch interessant:

Myth #1: Investing in an IPO gets you in on the ground floor.People assume an IPO is an opportunity to “get in on the ground floor” of owning a good company. In reality, you’re coming in on something like the fifth floor. By the time you buy shares of a company on Wall Street, other parties have almost always invested earlier at lower prices -- often, much lower prices. Before you even knew about the company, there probably were three or four rounds of private investment, and the per-share price of ownership usually goes up with each round. Understandably, parties to each of those rounds expect a return for the risk they’ve taken, and that return often is realized following the IPO – when the investors are able to sell their ownership stakes for a profit. In fact, one of the big incentives for an IPO is so that previous investors – founders, venture capital firms, individual investors – can “cash out” at least a portion of what they’ve invested. This makes sense, as earlier investors get bigger returns for bigger risks. Face it: You could be late to the party. In the case of some weak companies that should not even be going public, you are in reality investing in a legal Ponzi scheme where a year later the price per share will be much lower than the offering price once the market moves towards rationality, which is usually the case. Myth #2: If everyone’s excited about the IPO, it must be a good investment.At each stage of a company’s life, new players enter the mix, and they might benefit even if the stock falls from its IPO price. Too many people assume that if the investment banks and analysts and earlier investors like the company, it must be a good investment now. That may or may not be true.A public company is born after an entrepreneur grows the business and along the way, gets capital to grow via bank loans, investments by family members or private investors such as venture capital firms or private equity firms. Each time the company raises new money, new investors are willing to pay more for the stakes, so long as the company is performing well.When a company decides to offer shares to anyone through a public offering, it will receive most of the proceeds from the sale. But existing shareholders gain a more liquid market to sell, and even if the stock price drops from the IPO, these investors will likely receive more than they paid.In addition, the underwriter hired to buy the shares and re-sell them to other investors will get paid whether the stock soars or tanks when it opens on the exchange (called the secondary market). Underwriters’ fees typically range from 5 to 7 percent of the gross IPO proceeds.Underwriters are going to sell IPO shares to their favored customers, usually big mutual funds or pension funds. There is much pressure on pricing an IPO high, therefore, since commissions are a function of the price of the stock. It’s typically very difficult for the average individual investor to get in at this stage of a good IPO. As a result, when trading begins on the exchange, the only way most regular retail investors can buy shares is to be a big client of the underwriter or to pay a premium to any investors that sell immediately.Myth #3: IPOs outperform their peers.A key part of the IPO narrative is that they offer something, new, fresh, and somehow better than what is out there. The facts unfortunately say otherwise. Recent data from the University of Florida shows that IPOs from 1970-2011 underperformed other firms of the same size by an average of 3 percent in the five years after issuing.Between 2000 and 2011, the underperformance gap in 5-year returns narrowed to 1.8 percent, but it was biggest right after the IPO; in years one and two, IPOs underperformed by 18 percent and 6.3 percent, respectively.Myth #4: If a company is going public, it must be strong financially.The floor of the New York Stock Exchange is littered with companies that went public when they shouldn’t have. Companies go public for a variety of reasons. Financial strength is, unfortunately, not always one of these reasons.Vonage (VG) was posting losses equal to 72 percent of sales and was using $189 million in cash for operations in the year before its 2006 IPO. (Shares, which had an IPO price of $17 traded recently at $3.18.)Plenty of warnings signs for Pets.com didn’t stop its 2000 IPO at $11 a share. The pet-supply retailer had only three quarters’ worth of historical financial data to show potential investors, and even that was bad: A loss of $61.8 million and $65.3 million in cash used for operations. The company folded by the end of the year.Some more recent IPOs also had no business going through. Groupon (GRPN) has improved revenue since its 2011 IPO, but it’s still not profitable, its cash flow has slowed and margins are narrowing. Shares are slightly more than half the IPO price.And FriendFinder Networks (OTC: FFNT) had lost money for several years in a row and had negative net worth before it raised $50 million in a 2011 IPO priced at $10 (the company just recently filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy).Myth #5: All IPOs are high risk, high reward.It’s important to remember that not every IPO is bad. The danger lies in the assumption simply that IPOs are inherently good investment opportunities. Some are riskier than others and some have more potential for higher rewards than others. Fairly straightforward evaluation methods can be applied to companies filing for a public offering. When you filter companies through this evaluation, you can clearly discern that many of these companies are lousy performers. On the flip side, some companies like Microsoft (MSFT) are objectively good from a financial perspective, and they would have been great IPOs to get in on both because of their financial performance and their valuation at the time of IPO, which was reasonable. How the IPO is priced matters. If the company is valued the right way, if it’s profitable and growing, then maybe the first-day price on the exchange is a good one. Certainly, investors who bought shares of Chipotle Mexican Grill (NYSE:CMG) at the 2006 IPO price of $22 have been rewarded (shares now trade around $432). Before its IPO, Chipotle was posting 7 percent margins and generating about $39.7 million in cash from operations.Twitter might be a fantastic investment opportunity, and it might not; the truth is that we won’t know until they share their S-1 filing with the public. As long as Twitter’s filing and financial statements remain “confidential,” an accurate analysis of their value is impossible.Hype and excitement doesn’t necessarily equate to a good investment opportunity. If stocks continue to climb this year and the IPO line lengthens, I’m afraid you’ll have plenty of opportunities to see if I’m right.
 
Das S-1 von Twitter ist ja mittlerweile hier einsehbar:http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/ ... 001ds1.htmOb sie gross über eine Milliarde Umsatz kommen in den nächsten Jahren? Ich weiss es nicht, Internet ist so schnell-lebig. Schon jetzt brauchen mehr und mehr junge Leute (meine persönliche Beobachtung) nur noch einen Instant Messenger mit Kollegen (WhatsApp etc.) und weniger oft Facebook oder Twitter.Bei WhatsApp und ähnlichen Messengern ist die Kommunikation privat 1:1 oder mit einer definierten Gruppe von Freunden in Gruppen-Chats. Sehe das oft als Vorteil zu Twitter und Facebook. Warum soll man alles mit der ganzen Welt teilen (oder die Einstellungen sind zumindest so, dass man einen falschen Knopf drückt und es schon öffentlich ist...) ?

 
Ich weiss es nicht, Internet ist so schnell-lebig. Schon jetzt brauchen mehr und mehr junge Leute (meine persönliche Beobachtung) nur noch einen Instant Messenger mit Kollegen (WhatsApp etc.) und weniger oft Facebook oder Twitter.
Genau meine Meinung... die "social Media"-Blase ist m.E. am platzen. Der Trend geht (ebenfalls reine subjektive Interpretation) wieder mehr in Richtung Privatsphäre und "Datenschutz" wird erneut wieder grossgeschrieben. Vor allem seit der Bekanntgabe/Veröffentlichung/Bestätigung des NSA-"Abhörskandals". War zwar schon länger bekannt, aber wie der Medienrummel funktioniert muss ich Euch ja nicht erklären ;) Jedenfalls denke ich die Richtung ist eindeutig.. Noch zu deinen IPO-Mythen:klar steigt vorab die richtige Party und die Investoren greifen den grossen Profit ab mit dem Börsengang. Jedoch denke ich, dass bei guten/nachhaltigen Unternehmen ein Einstieg für einen "niedrigen" Preis möglich ist. Stellt natürlich eine gründliche Vorabklärung und etliche Nachforschungen voraus..
 
Das tönt schweeeeer nach FB IPO :lol: IPO: Twitter erhöht den Ausgabepreis von $17-$20 auf $23-$25

 
Einige Zahlen zum IPO:

Mobile MAUs: 175 million, or 76 percent of MAUsWhat it means: With more than three-fourths of Twitter's audience accessing the social network from smartphones or tablets, Twitter is, by definition, a mobile company. Investors need not worry about whether the company can monetize its massive mobile audience. In fact, 70 percent of Twitter's advertising revenue in the third quarter was generated from mobile devices.Daily active users (DAUs): 100 millionWhat it means: If you calculate engagement as the ratio of daily active users to mobile active users, as Facebook does, then Twitter's engagement rate is around 43 percent. That's not bad, but it's also not great. Facebook, for comparison, has an engagement rate of 61 percent.US MAUs: 52.7 millionWhat it means: Twitter makes an extremely disproportionate amount of money from its US members. More than three-fourths of Twitter users (78 percent) are overseas, yet only 25 percent of its year-to-date (YTD) revenue -- or $106.7 million -- came from its international audience.YTD revenue: $422.2 millionWhat it means: Twitter has grown revenue by 106 percent year over year, but the growth rate has decelerated from the previous year.YTD advertising revenue: $374.9 million, or 89 percent of revenueWhat it means: The company made a paltry $47.3 million from its only other business: data licensing. One could argue that Twitter needs to diversify its business in order to continue to grow revenue at a fast enough clip to please Wall Street.YTD net loss: $133.9 millionWhat it means: Losses are increasing -- up 89 percent year over year -- and Twitter is a ways away from turning a profit.YTD adjusted EBITDA: $30.7 millionWhat it means: If you exclude Twitter's expenses (stock, taxes, interest, depreciation), this is the amount the company would have earned in the first nine months of 2013.
 
Jetzt geht das Theater wie bei FB wieder los :) Schon ist es in der Boulevardpresse...jetzt werden wir alle reich mit Twitter:

Kann ich jetzt mit Twitter reich werden?Twitter will an die Börse. Facebook hat nach einigen Startschwierigkeiten gezeigt, wie man dort ans grosse Geld kommt. Das Online-Netzwerk ist seit gestern 101,5 Milliarden Franken wert. Jetzt will Twitter nachziehen.
http://www.blick.ch/news/wirtschaft/kan ... 40203.html
:top: Der Blick braucht eine eigene Comedy-Sendung
Ich sehe nicht, warum diese Firma mit 10-15 Milliarden USD bewertet sein soll, aber ich fand schon die Bewertung von FB sehr fragwürdig (und besonders jetzt bei über 100 Milliarden USD).
Die Bewertungen sind generell alles hypotetische Zahlen. Beispiel, du hast eine stark frequentierte Strasse. 1 Mio. Menschen laufen täglich auf diese Strasse. Dann kommen Analysten und berechnen, wieviel Profit diese Strasse machen würde wenn am nächsten Tag 1 Franken pro Person verlangt würden. Und schon hast du deinen Firmenwert :mrgreen:
 
Die Bewertungen sind generell alles hypotetische Zahlen. Beispiel, du hast eine stark frequentierte Strasse. 1 Mio. Menschen laufen täglich auf diese Strasse. Dann kommen Analysten und berechnen, wieviel Profit diese Strasse machen würde wenn am nächsten Tag 1 Franken pro Person verlangt würden. Und schon hast du deinen Firmenwert :mrgreen:
Diese Berechnungen erinnern mich an 1999 an der NASDAQ :)Natürlich, wenn eines Tages all die Werbeausgaben von Print und TV/Radio ins Internet abwandern, könnte es möglich sein in paar Jahren die hohe Bewertung zu rechtfertigen. (Den Nutzer bezahlen zu lassen sehe ich so oder so nicht bei den meisten Diensten.)Aber das ist alles sehr unsicher...aber eben mit "market comparables" lässt sich auch viel rechtfertigen, wenn FB 120 Milliarden wert sein soll kann man auch die 20 Milliarden USD für TWTR rechtfertigen.Ich bin gespannt, wie hoch TWTR heute springen wird in der Euphorie...einige Leute redeten von 30-50 USD, das wäre dann völlig jenseits meiner Meinung.
 
IPO: Handel mit Twitter verzögert sich Quelle JandayaWas habe ich gesagt :lol:IPO: Twitter wird Indikationen zufolge bei $42 - $46 in den Handel starten. Der Ausgabepreis lag bei $26 je Aktie

 
IPO: Twitter-Handelsstart voraussichtlich um 16:40 Uhr, der Kurs liegt Indikationen zufolge bei $45 - $46 Git es schon Puts?!?

 
+100% auf einen schlag, die Gier kennt keine Grenzen :repsekt:
Wir sind schon bei knapp 50 USD Ausgabepreis, das wären dann 30 Milliarden USD als Bewertung. Crazy :shock: Social-Media-Aktien TWTR, LNKD und FB sind meiner Meinung völlig jenseits von gut und böse bewertet mittlerweile.
 
Einfach nur KRANK was da wieder abgeht.Ein paar wenige machen jetzt grosse Kasse und dann auf nimmer Wiedersehen!! :dumm: :dumm: